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possley
Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coats

On a recent TOH episode, they repainted kitchen cabinets with a thick paint that would "stick to anything".

In order to repaint the cabinets, they only had to be cleaned and not stripped or primed. I am buying a new place with decent cabinets that need painting and prefer the easier clean them and paint them with two coats of paint method, but I re-watched the episode and the name wasn't in the episode or in the credits that I could find.

Can anyone advise of what paint I could use to do the job with just two coats and no primer? Or any other recommendations for that matter (even referring me to a prior post as I am sure I am not the only one who has asked this).

Thank you!

possley
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

After more searching, I found out myself. It's called "Reclaim Beyond Paint". Pretty amazing stuff and will definitely get it for my cabinet upgrades. :cool:

A. Spruce
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

Let us know how it works out for you

dj1
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

This Reclaim Beyond Paint is paint and primer mixed. It would be informative to know how it worked out, a week after the job and a year later.

ordjen
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

There are several water based paints from the major manufacturer's which have the ability to bond directly over existing sound cabinet finishes without a primer. All are either straight alkyds, or variations of acrylic/alkyd/urethane blends. Some of these are:

- Benjamin Moore Advance
- Sherwin Williams Pro Mar 200
- Isnl-X Cabinet Coat
- Behr WB Alkyd

All of these have the positive characteristics of a hard, smooth leveling paint, but with the convenience of water clean up and low odor. As with any paint, the surface to be painted should be clean, especially of any oils, and a scuff sanding is advised.

dj1
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa
ordjen wrote:

There are several water based paints from the major manufacturer's which have the ability to bond directly over existing sound cabinet finishes without a primer. All are either straight alkyds, or variations of acrylic/alkyd/urethane blends. Some of these are:

- Benjamin Moore Advance
- Sherwin Williams Pro Mar 200
- Isnl-X Cabinet Coat
- Behr WB Alkyd

All of these have the positive characteristics of a hard, smooth leveling paint, but with the convenience of water clean up and low odor. As with any paint, the surface to be painted should be clean, especially of any oils, and a scuff sanding is advised.

Ordjen, can these be applied with a sprayer? a brush? roller?

ordjen
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

Dj,

They all can be sprayed, brushed or rolled and back brushed.

Spraying with a conventional air syphon pot would require some thinning to get to a usable viscosity. Airless equipment with a fine tip works well without thinning.

Graco sells self-contained, hand held airless guns that can spray full bodied paint without thinning. They are between $170 and $270 at Home Depot. Don't try spraying these products with those miserable Wagner guns!

I like to use a trim roller when brushing, because it greatly reduces the time spent getting a nice even coat of paint on the work surface. The roller "dibble" is then flattened out or "tipped off" with a quality latex brush. The critical thing with all water based paints is to work quickly and then leave the paint film alone with maximum time for it to level itself out. All water based paints set MUCH quicker than oil paints. Where amateurs go wrong, is that they see initial brush marks and continue to brush it. You must quickly level it the best you can, and then trust that it will level itself. It will if you don't excessively brush it!

dj1
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

Ordjen,

I'm going to try the Behr WB Alkyd this coming summer, instead of the usual High Gloss.

dj1
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

Ordjen, thanks for the tip,

This week I had a chance to test the Behr Alkyd Semi Gloss, on a front door. I washed the door, removed all dirt, finger prints, dust and whachmecallit...then did two coats of this paint in white.

The jury is out:

The Good: Even though it has less of a sheen than high gloss, the result was no less spectacular. And the tenant was happy.

The bad: It felt heavy on the brush. Off the can the paint was elastic, yet heavy to push around. After the first coat I got the hang of it and the job got easier second time around, the next day.

The ugly: Behr was about $35/gal out the door at HD. Other brands are out of the question, unless you get painting contractor's discounts at places like Ben Moore or S Williams.
Fortunately, when I paint, it's always a rental that I'm painting, and spending $80/gal at name brands store won't get me higher rent, so I don't bother with them.

Next assignment for this paint: kitchen cabinets in June.

A. Spruce
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa
dj1 wrote:

The ugly: Behr was about $35/gal out the door at HD. Other brands are out of the question, unless you get painting contractor's discounts at places like Ben Moore or S Williams.
Fortunately, when I paint, it's always a rental that I'm painting, and spending $80/gal at name brands store won't get me higher rent, so I don't bother with them.

Next assignment for this paint: kitchen cabinets in June.

I agree, the price of paint is outrageous! During the big project I did last fall I was surprised to see Sherwin Williams at Evil Orange, and even more surprised that it was cheaper than Behr and several other brands that Evil Orange carries.

ordjen
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

dj1,

There is definitely a learning curve with the Behr WB Alkyd: don't over brush the stuff, and put it on generously enough so that it can flow out. The label says not to thin it, but you can thin it with water. I spoke with the chemist at Behr who developed the alkyd. He stated they were afraid that painters would see the word "alkyd" on the label and assume that mineral spirits should be used to thin it! Guess they think we painters aren't too bright! :)

It sprays beautifully with airless equipment. It can be sprayed with quality HVLP equipment, but again, it is a learning curve to get the correct viscosity by thinning with water. One of my customers stated he got "glass like" results by thinning with a little water and a little Floetrol.

One of the advantages is that it has excellent adhesion directly over sound existing oil finishes or varnishes without a dedicated primer. Bare wood however, needs a primer.

I can tell you that my one store has sold over 1000 gallons of the alkyd in the last 12 months, and my feedback has been overwhelmingly positive. The best testimony I can give is that I am using it to refresh all the woodwork in my own home.

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