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dj1
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

Ordjen,

I didn't feel the need to thin it at all, in fact, as cautious as I was, it still dripped off the brush a little on the way from the can to the door - on the tarp.

I used a brush because it was just a door (small job). I may use a sprayer for the cabinet doors (and a brush for the cabinet bodies).

Question: Is it good on metal drip edges? drip edge trim semi gloss paint seems to fall off way too quickly.

A. Spruce
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa
dj1 wrote:

it still dripped off the brush a little on the way from the can to the door - on the tarp.

I have found that you just can't get enough paint on a door with a brush before it starts tacking off, particularly when painting outside. The easiest means of getting paint from the can to a door is with a 3" or 4" roller, you don't even need a roller screen in the can, just dip and go. The roller carries the bulk paint to the door and applies it, then you immediately lay it off with a brush to even the surface.

Mastercarpentry
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

That's always been my approach too Spruce, but being as fast with a brush as anyone I normally use a 9" roller- I can keep up with that but a lot of folks can't. It comes from doing too many metal exterior doors with oil-based alkyd here in summer heat; you get fast or you do those jobs at night when it's cool enough. I prefer the comforts of home when the sun goes down myself so I got fast!

Of course I'm a fan of Purdy brushes, but I've discovered that of their several types, any given paint will 'like' one brush type over all the others so I've got 'em from Nylox to Pro Extra to Clearcut, and I experiment to find which one works best. That alone can make all the difference in the world to speed and finish. Every paint will have different 'likes' but after awhile you'll remember which brush goes with which paint and grab the best one from the start.

Gotta try some of that newfangled water-based Alkyd one of these days but being an oil-based fan it will take a lot of convincing before I put my China bristle brushes away for the last time!

Phil

A. Spruce
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa
Mastercarpentry wrote:

That's always been my approach too Spruce, but being as fast with a brush as anyone I normally use a 9" roller- I can keep up with that but a lot of folks can't.

For me, it's not about being able to keep up, it's more about clean-up. A 3" roller is a breeze to clean and transfers paint to a door well enough that I'm ok with the little extra time, whereas a 9" roller is faster to toss than to clean, when you're on the clock, not to mention the paint loss with the larger roller. Mind you, I am usually only doing one, maybe two, doors, so speed usually isn't so much the essence. If I've got more than two or three doors, I'll set up a spray booth and spray them, while the overall time is about the same as brushing, the finish is better and the clean-up is generally easier, even being as anal as I am about getting my stuff squeaky clean.

ordjen
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

I too will use a roller to speed up the transfer of paint to the surface. A roller is far better at rapidly getting a nice even coat distributed over the area. The brush is then just used to get into the edges and corners and then to lightly "tip off" the paint and knock down that roller "dibble". This is helpful with oil, but becomes really important l for water based paints due to their very short set time. Acrylic latex paints start forming a skin within a couple minutes. If you brush into this skin, you will have heavy brush marks that will never go away.

The most common mistake do-it-your selfers make is to keep brushing a paint when they initially see brush marks, thinking they will make it better. In truth, they are stealing time from which the paint will level itself. Products such as Penetrol, for oil paint, and Floetrol for water based paints will give you addtional set time and help the paint level itself. Of course, a well sealed substrate also gives you more working time. When customers by those "pre-primed" casings, I advise them to grab a can of spray oil primer, such as Cover Stain or Kilz, and prime them again. Paint will level much better on a well sealed surface. Your brush will slide along the surface without any drag.

dj1
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

Ordjen,

Is this paint good on metal (like drip edge)?

It seems that drip edge paint peels faster.

A. Spruce
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa
dj1 wrote:

Ordjen,

Is this paint good on metal (like drip edge)?

It seems that drip edge paint peels faster.

Did you wipe the drip edge down with vinegar or other mild acid to etch the galvanization? If not, the paint won't hold all that well in a high sun/heat location.

ordjen
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

If the metal is galvanized, the paint of preference is acrylic based. There is a chemical reaction between oil paints and galvanized which causes it to fail.

Back in the 60's and 70's when galvanized gutters were still common on homes, I made of specialty of stripping the peeling gutters back down to bare galvanized and repainting them with an acrylic based primer and paint. I guaranteed that they would not peel. Fortunately, I never had a call back.

dj1
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

Spruce and Ordjen, good advice.

dj1
Re: Needing name of paint for painting kitchen cabinets with no primer and only 2 coa

Ordjen,

I painted the cabinets that I was telling you before, using Behr and the results are OK. Better than Hi-gloss.

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